Hopefully they will all burn themselves out by being crazy busy like Platt and go away! I have been hearing from a few folks. Preaching is fun. For those across the pond, ConAggerback is word play on ConAgra and Saddleback Church, and General Willow Mills is play on General Mills and Willow Creek. (1) McLean Bible Church, https://www.mcleanbible.org. It has been assigned to any imaginable paid position in an institutional church. Like your husband, I am deeply touched when a pastor knows my name & uses it in a kind way. Stomach full of staples for another week, but back to work with a few restrictions. Standing up on a stage, being the only voice heard in a comfortably organised setting where everyone is explicitly there to hear you speak, is among the most seductively intoxicating pleasures anywhere in this life. Yes but the issue of him and Calvin being promoters of Valentinian Gnosticism was put to bed a long time ago. Madness. Some of the classes taught by laymembers at MBC are outstanding. okrapod, Actually, liberal lefty functions only as temporary place holder for me. After all, they could have easily marketed themselves, promoted themselves, and charged money at the gate to hear their Holy Spirit inspired messageswhy didnt they take advantage of people? We do need bread from heaven we live by the Word of God; it should come from the pulpit, but God can use anyone to bring forth a word, anywhere. 14 When the people saw him[b] do this miraculous sign, they exclaimed, Surely, he is the Prophet we have been expecting![c] 15 When Jesus saw that they were ready to force him to be their king, he slipped away into the hills by himself. Jn 6:15. If one is to fulfill the requirements of love, then it is not enough that God loves us but we must also love God, the first and greatest commandment. Next week, we will address some of the explanations by the other commentators. I think the problem is less than someone might be only delivering sermons than that they are being paid, essentially, a full time salary or a hefty salary and are refusing to do the traditional ministerial/pastoral duties. I believe they will be held accountable. I dont know what triggered you to interpret have to have a man from my text. . Not to mention the let-us-introduce-you-to-some-seminary-students during nursing school. Just today he seems to throw a jab at Paige Patterson. Its important to be patient and understanding when communicating. Thanks! But it should be available. One could have successful ministry (cast out demons, heal, & build numerical flocks), yet be told to depart for He never knew you (Matt. Of course, we are to do stuff, but the text never says we are to do witnessing as if it is apart from who we are. Sovereign Grace Ministries Problem is Jesus shepherded in another fashion and ran off when people wanted him to be a celebrity. The shared leadership not taking full-time pay checks from their fellow believers, perhaps? This is not to argue against paid staff but it should certainly argue for much more humility than what is often demonstrated. I think I now have the answer. It is also a biological code. People do what they think will achieve the goal that they have. Who wants a job where you give everything, then the mob can take a vote as to whether you keep your job or not! So, again, how is this guy spending 20-25 hours a week on a sermon? The produce being sold includes commercial growers, according to the signs on their pickup trucks. They care about as much about the Bible as they do about the truth, about justice, about the Fruits of the Spirit, about Jesus, and about those who have been made in His image. Same here. This year they have got the Pied Piper and years ago they hosted Mark Driscoll. I want to know when did my husband or me get a vacation from life. @ Sopwith: This is true. deny the community access to their facility which they help sponsor with their tax dollars. WebDavid Platt Introduction: David Platt, The disciples world had just been rocked when Jesus turned their thinking up-side down about what makes someone clean. (Yet Mahaney refers to the hours and hours and hours and hours and hours it takes to prepare sermon!) The father. My church now has quite short sermons, with liturgy. I grew up Church of Christ however; denominations mean nothing to me. Same here. The main trend Ive seen over the past 20 years or so is that the Calvinist/Non-Calvinist divide at the top of the SBC does not seem to be an issue. We are human beings not human doings. Or insipid video series made by the pastors wife/youth group/whatever? Is he polishing his sermons so thoroughly they can seamlessly make the transition to book format? Now that I know what Im withoutYou cant just leave me -Bring Me To Life (1), 501(c)3 calvinesta stealthy church rape'(tm), has found its way as a serious topic of Christian public discussion, showing up in various forms of media: books, scholarly white papers, blogs, internet and radio talk shows, and church podium warnings all around the country. Or is FIEC the T4G/TGC/9Marks beachhead in the kingdom? I know what you mean about David Platts sermon style. but Pastor is certainly not it. But even on the most complicated issues, Ive never spent 20-25 hours just preparing for a meeting. Aspiring to the office of overseer it is a fine work (1 Tim 3:1). That kind of New Testament model? David Platt has openly talked about the need to recruit and go after 18 to 25 year old students for their ultimate goals and purposes. Is this confirmed that he is doing it for free? Would be beneficial if more people pastored in like fashion. Keep an eye out in your classes. Do you think the Apostle Paul really knew the names of the thousands who were added to the church daily or that he made hospital visits? Were connected. We all hold each others hands in the hospital. think of how useful the church facility could be to the community instead of sitting closed up 96% of the week. Its like a code for the party apparatus, comrade. Without a revelation of Who God is, the people will run wild, unrestrained. We plan to revisit this matter in our February trustee meeting.. Based on that I was planning to make MBC my home church. The blind are unable to discern and the lame are unable to walk by faith. AMEN! They just say they do. If youre a religious figure, you can designate some portion of your income (up to a certain point, please consult with your tax advisor) as compensation for housing. They must have gone in in laparoscopically. @ refugee: Sometimes we forget and need to be reminded. No worries, Arnold. Unless you show me some passages that demonstrate it was the norm. If a merger is in the works (someone at SBC Today suggested that might be the case and was chided by a writer at SBCVoices for writing it which made me think its true) Ezell seems like the likely candidate. for those working normal jobs in the community. In oterh words, find a real church., Lydia wrote: TEDS, while non-denom, is still owned and funded by the E Free. He allegedly just got another huge land gift and may be getting ready to build a mansion on the river. MBC needs to pray for discernment and examine Davids teachings. So a proclamation of Who the object of our faith is, gives focus to our faith, and direction to our worship (which includes pastoral care). Thanks, very insightful from your experience with boots on the ground. Yes, if nothing else I wonder how much of a burden these self-acclaimed superman leaders put on the rest of us who cannot seem to do as much as they do. I am thankful to a special friend who invited me to take acourse on Pastoral Leadership offered by a conservative seminary. Was Peter a pastor to these souls or just a talking head? It is our reasonable service in light of Who God is. He will preach without being involved in his church-unless he is cheating in other areas. At the risk of opening up a rabbit-trail of dislike for Mr Warren, he is at any rate correct on this, and he lifts the lid on something that needs emphasising much more often than it currently is. Day-to-day leaders of the church living and working shoulder-to-shoulder with all the one anothers? Another reason the SBC is a joke. I may be reading too much into your comments. Whenever I feel ashamed to be a Southern Baptist because of the reputation and antics of these snake oil salesmen, I have to remind myself that they are clearly NOT Southern Baptiststhey have only ridden on the coat tails of the SBC to seize fame and fortune. I saw this with the vicar of an Anglican church I used to go to. I'm very upfront with my role to my church. Good chance David Platt will not write much of those sermons. I dont know of any other job where an employee is granted 2 months of vacation after working for 6 months. I think a marriage of convenience took place, and human nature made sure that it stayed that way when things became very inconvenient a few short years later. Whats up with this? There is no excuse for the lack of shepherding, love, and caring that we are seeing in the modern church. Birds of a feather stick together, I guess that is why Platt has no problem appearing on the conference circuit with C.J. I have been watching dexter quite a bit lately and noticed that the character Angel pronounces things oddly sometimes, is it just me? LOL at Dee telling Deb to check her text messages. Beware! If you continue to use this site we will assume that you are happy with it. True enough I thought, but if he really believed the Radical stuff he writes about whats keeping him from pulling up stakes and moving there? The model in the New Testament was shared leadership. Youre modeling New Testament now? This leaves the door wide open for our congregation to see areas of leadership where they are needed, and to respond accordingly.". Lea, i think most pastors are trained (whether by others or by self) to feel justified in being the recipient of tax breaks. He actually knew my name and used it. My husband had tears in his eyes. The organizers can gain favor with the Gospel Glitterati by inviting them to the conference? These graduates then serve the Church. So I went and prayed, then listened to his latest sermon and once again I was reminded possibly by the Holy Spirit how anointed this man is. I bet Mac Brunson is now going to become on of the Calvinistas. Where is most of ones time spent? So, a bit of a frustrating afternoon/evening trying to instal jUnit on the Mac. Our forefathers knew that the study of Gods Word and prayer was the foundation for ministry. Lol. If Im not mistaken, K. Deyoung is also a competitive masters runner. I think youve summed it up pretty well. It is both costly and enriching to do so. We dont know how intimately accquainted Peter and the other Apostles were with all the Jerusalem believers, but it sounds like their lifestyle would lend itself to knowing each other much better than todays mega church pastor. To our readers I came across the Disasko reference here. It has been nothing but crickets since this major event happened. Prayer Requests The great irony is that, in their vast contempt for women, these young men are haplessly led (like an ox going to the slaughter) astray by preaching itself, the true adulteress in this scenario. God. The model in the New Testament was shared leadership. Youre modeling New Testament now? I am surprised the IMB would go for this. So we rarely, if ever, get to hear about them. Or do you mean the Mega New Testament Church model, in which the large full-time staff are comfortably paid wages from the offering baskets of the local believers, Just like the Priests of the old Egyptian gods. To follow my last commentthey have also hosted Mark Dever for a conference titled Growing Healthy Churches most ironic! This type can be described as an unusual repetition of sounds or rhythm. There is definitely something missing in this entire scenario. (Communion servers switch around, so not every time, but it has definitely happened from the pastor. The people in this church are very nice & supportivebut Im starting to think its time to move on. Just where can you find all these multitalented people who are biblical scholars who can do all their own research, have a commanding ability at teaching, are people persons who are adept at counseling and hand holding and socializing (three different things there) and who will work 80 hours a week for minimum pay and who refuse to delegate but do it all themselves? The leadership is far to often unaware of, or opposed to, the real church that sometimes begins to form. Thats better left to the students he and Piper appeal to at their annual Cross Conference. Id say it takes me anywhere from 8-15 hours to put together a new sermon depending on my familiarity with the passage. (I am not making fun of word studies, I would love love love to have access to a full bells and whistles version of Logos software.) Sure, theyll get a real piece of work for a pastor now and again, but hes usually removed before the damage can escalate. I think there is more going on. The elders who rule well are to be considered worthy of double honor, especially those who work hard at preaching and teaching (5:17). Our friends are grounded, thoughtful and medically qualified; and not remotely given to sensationalism or exaggeration. Law Prof wrote: We have all heard the idea that Moses had a speech impediment, since he tells God that he is chevad peh and chevad lashon (Ex. Yeah, I have had to have church at home on three different occasions in life. This is not to say that valuable info cant be gained from the study of created things. Could you comment on that? and the Academy is supposed to serve the Church. i called every single one. If a pastor cannot take the time to officiate at a members wedding or to provide pre-marriage or marriage counseling, then that pastor has no business getting up and preaching a sermon on Sunday morning about the sanctity of marriage. I cant help but wonder if Lon was pushed out. Count it all joy to pay the cost and reveal His worth! We worked out a formula to give the Sunday school class church a small donation to pay for our seat and the heating, etc. Those of us who have seen behind the curtain know that it is not real. Perhaps he isnt really so committed to being radical? Latent Life Force: Frozen Inside Without A Voice?, Resist or get out of this infected 50(c)3 church, the spiritual life you save may very well be your own, How can you see into my eyes, like open doorsLeading you down into my coreWhere Ive become so numb, without a soulMy spirits sleeping somewhere coldUntil you find it there and lead it back home And, while theyre about it, lay hands on and pray for them. Please keep up the good study. . Lay people are the backbone of the church. It is not my place to question Gods call on this mans life, but again, I have a lot of concerns about this. Voice disorder. Or a CEO or accountant looking at the budget and deciding youre too expensive. This plague has even crossed the Atlantic and come to the UK. Mr Platt aint got nuttin on Mr Crazy Buzy DeYoung. Personal study is critical, and if a pastor can get the flock to let their fingers do the walking, then he has done a great service. Small fellowships are well and good, but you darn well better get your fanny in a seat to hear the pastor preach on a regular basis, or else youre doin it wrong. Joined a lovely little church which felt like family the moment I walked in the door. Of course, a lot of people in their church have no idea their pastor has somebody else write their sermons and they dont go elsewhere very often, so they wouldnt realize it. Most pastor positions are salaried. If Im not mistaken, K. Deyoung is also a competitive masters runner. And then, in adulthood, we become the teachers, the feeders ourselves? The last time such a position existed was over 3,000 years ago, it was a special circumstance, it was explicitly ordained by the Lord Himself, and it was filled by one who was stated by God to be the most humble man in the history of the world. He demonstrates his attitude that he can dress down for Sunday service. I dont remember the details, just that I got the idea that they shouldnt be encouraged to attend and fellowship with the body if theyre not comfortable making a commitment in writing. Yes and he is only speaking 65% of the time! Wonder what draws the short stick? While many take much pride in their pastor title I would be embarrassed at the current level of absurdity. Nope. Its like a code for the party apparatus. And it is He himself, the Jesus of keep my commandments who says to some depart from me Apparently this post is getting a lot of play out there. Mahaney and Wayne Grudem repeatedly regurgitate the same few sermons time after time. As far as one being the outgrowth of the other. Its no wonder men want it for themselves; its no wonder so many idealistic, but ambitious and easily-seduced young men are both dazzled by those who find fame and fortune doing it, and want it for themselves. Im familiar with the loophole, it is another one of those things that violates my classical liberal sensibilities as does the property tax exclusion that no other non-profit enjoys. Or do you mean the Mega New Testament Church model, in which the large full-time staff are comfortably paid wages from the offering baskets of the local believers (believers that they must manage). It is not a place for mature Christians to sit in the back and ask 1 man what can you do for me?. by BEING in right relationship with Him. David Platt states that he spends 20-25 hours preparing for one sermon. For me lately, my daughter and I have been extremely humbled by our circumstances. theres no way it could really take 20-25 hrs per week!!! I just listened to a YRR pup give a 45 minute tearful sermon on the huge sacrifice he is making to leave the church he ruined after 5 years to be a teaching pastor in a mega. Im asking God to give you Elders who are friends, and that things go well in your church. The response I had no right to ask to speak to the pastor, the pastor is a very busy man (busy doing what?) I would like to say to all of you. Please dont tell me that Lon believes in Calvanismwould break my heart. Im sure the new name for the SBC has already been determined because Southern and Baptist and Convention is not going to work. The impact on the muslim world is accomplished very slowly through sincere friendships made through contacts by normal working people. In what respects? You can read between the lines Im sure and see how the David Platt thing fits into all of this. the property tax exclusion that no other non-profit enjoys. I dont understand why they want to borrow celebrities. One of many reasons I am not a fan of institutionalied/bureaucracy-ized Churchianity. Mac Brunson has a history for spending large. Local believers who had plenty sharing personally with other local believers who had need? He actually knew my name and used it." Yeah, I know several families that were in Nepal in a similar sense, one family for 20 yrs or so, 6 days walk away from the nearest road, while the others did veterinary work in an area almost as rural. I hope Ive answered your question. Pardon me while go rip off another sheet of tin foil! The pastor never spoke to me and his understudy said something goofy, like Isnt the sky blue today? There were a total of about 15 people at the funeral. Interesting, I always thought Platt was the dullard they sent on errands when they talked about the secret stuff. He feeds the one that gnaws him most.. The ironic thing is that the 9Marx pastor in the town of Fujairah (a smaller town on the east coast of the UAE) wrote an article that was published on the 9Marx website that was bemoaning the fact that there are too many missionaries. Once the bible (or more specifically what some people try to do with the bible} is treated as simply a different version of the old Jewish idea of law and thus turned into a burden too heavy to bear-then we can quote Jesus himself about the fact that creating burdens like that is a big time no-no. They seem to have united around pragmatic Authoritarianism and Complementarianism. gained entrance to the respectable theologians club, and Dever gained a proven marketing program. And one more thing. I hope you are. In Hebrew, the verb to shepherd literally means to feed. Whos We? Recently, a few of these guys were in Germany for a few days doing the Martin Luther tour. The academy is funded by the Church to produce pastors, theologians, missionaries, etc. But we have some in depth sunday school classes. He also said that my observations of being a church memberin a number of churches would be helpful to pastorsas well. Mahaney. With Mac Brunson you see tweets about Lambert and Mohler and trivializing the impact of Irma on the community while whining about the minor ways it inconvenienced him personally. Id be very interested. He also is not going to get a salary for this new position. There is no such thing as a teaching pastor in scripture. No pastor that is paid full-time could say that and be hired or kept on in a Baptist church. pastors should see this and understand it. It took us two years in this church to feel comfortable. And then, in adulthood, we become the teachers, the feeders ourselves? everyone who knows the Lord has a calling to the ministry, all of us are high priests, and every calling is of utmost importance. In recent years we have made great strides in add ministry; that is, administration. What I would say is, if they ever find the perfect church network, they shouldnt join it because theyll spoil it. . In my opinion, the real trick is how much of that stuff do you (generic you) wanna extrapolate out the Bibles way back when and try an make it apply in the here and now? As you are well aware, the spiritual life saved, may very well be a personal one. David is a teacher to the world, literally, online, through his books, through the IMB, etc. Take this opportunity to tell these supposed *pastors* what you think a pastor should be. Definitions are all changing under our feet (the boundary markers are being moved). The Nepalese believers dont seek expenses-paid work jollies or international trips, or book deals. Is this the same Augustine who is considered one of the fathers of the faith? Sounds like he has taken Thom Rainers advice. Washing disciples feet delegate. 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