I didn't really follow any of the cast or gossip. She's an okay dancer, but Heather Morris and Diana were better. The aspie Charlie was ok. The reality. R405 I thought that show was fun to watch. [quote]Did Murphy originally want to turn Rachel/Kurt In NYC into a separate series? And Heather Morris. R143 I'm more freaked out that any of them believe he's ever been with a woman. At least he was largely in tune throughout, so that's an improvement. Things got really stupid everytime they were in NYC. But it keeps me off the streets, er, out of the Aaron Rodgers threads, so I count it as a plus. Family. Some features on this site require registration. Colfer was making a ton of money off his children's books alone back when Glee was on. The full interview appears in the L.A. Times. [post redacted because linking to dailymail.co.uk clearly indicates that the poster is either a troll or an idiot (probably both, honestly.) [quote]Colfer has no range or real acting talent, and he's just not believable as anything other than a nellie queen. Chris Colfer was only 19 when the show started, but the rest of the "teenagers" of Glee have always been twenty-somethings. It doesn't seem like she would be the problem. Being bi is like peanuts to all that, yet nothing in the book? I can't stand Lea Michelle in real life, but Rachel was a good character and Lea was a natural fit for her. It were only two seasons. Colfer never or rarely mentioned Murphy during the second half of Glee. I've always wondered how Kevin McHale felt about scenes like the "Roar" performance, where he's dressed to go on safari and all the others are dressed like Tarzan and Jane. For what it's worth, Ashley Fink turned chicken shit into chicken salad with her role. I'll call them up in a couple years. Was he insulted or in heaven, getting to check out the likes of Chord, Darren, Blake and Jacob in loincloths? r261, go back to L-Chat with your fanfic and OT discussion thread rules. R186 Brad Pitt isn't well-endowed, and she was engaged to him. The Craziest Moments from Ryan Murphy's TV Shows Prior to this news, first reported by Deadline, it was said that Feud season two would focus on the divorce between Princess Diana and Prince. Murphy is best known for creating/co-creating/producing a number of television series including Popular (1999-2001), Nip/Tuck (2003-10), Glee (2009-15), American Horror Story (2011-present), The New Normal (2012-13), Scream Queens (2015-present), American Crime Story (2016-present . I think of course Matthew Morrison and Jane Lynch also survived it well with their careers greatly burnished by the show, but they were adults going in to it and stayed away from most of the drama. I meet Darren Criss and Matthew Morrison a year ago, they are both absolutely gorgeous. It was repeated when the character then become an underwear model. I agree. Also, when did Jesse St. James and Finn duke it out in "Total Eclipse of the Heart"? The Quentin Fleming character is an author and Jessica Lange basically says to him that she paved the way for his successful book series. Any time a new person was added to the show, it was like fresh meat being dropped into a piranha tank. After her split from Salling, she rebounded with co-star Chord Overstreet briefly, after which she promptly got over Salling and learned her lessons. I sure do, and they can do much better with that song. Quentin was played by Leslie Jordan. Heather Morris will probably try to downplay her past for the DWTS cameras or she will say that she hasn't danced in years because of her kids. All rights reserved. Said their agents were driving a hard bargain and Colfer wasn't too thrilled to have to leave his family in CA (he has a disabled sister). One of the things I really struggled with on Glee was, I really became very good friends with that cast at a very young age for me [lol, really?] Chris Colfer is not leaving Glee. The first and second seasons were good but then it just died. Off subject, when did they change that rule on DWTS. Sleep with, R145? Enquiring minds probably don't care at all, but I thought I'd throw out there, anyway. 8. [quote]The former Glee co-stars had their first date in 2009, and it didnt bode well for their relationship: Rivera claims that Salling, 34, got stoned in his complete piece of st car and took her to In-N-Out Burger, then to Fright Fest at Six Flags, where he took a slew of pictures with performers at the park and none with her. In fact, I don't remember much fantasy singing the first 13 episodes. The Price of Glee debuted on Monday, pulling back the curtain on Glee 's dark behind-the-scenes drama, including the sudden deaths of stars Cory Monteith , Naya Rivera and Mark Salling. Why do people always like to target Colfer as being jealous? A little cash could coax all of them to do the inevitable Glee reboot as adults. Ryan Murphy directed People vs OJ, but it wasn't his creation. I think for a feud to work on this show, it has to have decades of pain behind it. What about the ones who think they're secretly a couple? That would explain his swift contract and perks. You never hear about that in our culture.". I think its a great thing to put on television. Ryan Murphy has found his latest muse in Naomi Watts. He/it was so unattractive, untalented and just plain annoying that you had to wonder how he/it got cast. Now Apocalypse was too weird and niche even for Showtime. She was a real cunt in her auditionBTW and Ryan just laughed ). Ryan Murphy is one of the most notable television producers working today. Did someone say crossover? [quote]I had heard that he was one of the few cast members who got along with most of the others, unlike Lea and Chris. Still, their showmance blossomed into a full-blown relationship. R464: There are rumors that Murphy axed Ashley Fink to get back at Chris Colfer. I would forget they were even on the show and then they would show up and make me annoyed again. LogoTV and all related titles, logos and characters are trademarks of Viacom International Inc. By then, everybody and their cat knew that Criss was untouchable, and that Colfer had other things to do with his time (like write his money machine of kids books) than wage a losing war. It's like Darren ripped it off from Chord. R241 God, Murphy sounds like an insufferable mean girl fag! He was adorkably cute. [quote] What was the deal with Agron and Michele? Ryan Murphy, a gay man, came up with Glee, and wasn't going to have a gay kid as a character? Criss is one of the biggest attention-whores in the cast but was pretty strategic in cultivating a team-player image. Oh yes, r47! r476 The Emmy nomination must have gone to his head. Did they break up? Murphy also suggests he and officials at Fox were initially irritated when Chris Colfer said he found out via Twitter that he had been fired from the musical-number-laden series. Alex Newell and Lindsay Pearce got two each, but they liked Newell so much they brought him (and Larsen) back for another season. why was Ashley Fink dropped from the cast after her season? Perhaps that last episode of AHS: FREAK SHOW, where Dandy was going around shooting down the freaks, one by one, was meant to be cathartic for him. Entertainment Television, LLC A Division of NBCUniversal. Dianna Agron was/is gorgeous. Reading this thread has confirmed that I made the correct choice. Murphy took a thinly veiled swipe at Colfer in American Horror Story. Undoubtedly not. After all of that, Murphy released another statement blaming the whole mess and the demise of a potential spinoff on Chris and Cory in particular. And then it sure seemed like Agron was fucking Taylor Swiftand then had a nasty breakup. Did Murphy originally want to turn Rachel/Kurt In NYC into a separate series? Peace. How Would Ryan Murphy Have Killed Off Kurt? I wish I didnt take it personally and say, Then you are not my friend any more and blah blah. runs a lot deeper for both Colfer and for Glee's executive producer Ryan Murphy. I think it was several things. And I thought Samuel (dreads) was boring on the reality show r332, was shocked he won and was not surprised he bombed. I always wondered what the deal with her and Cory Monteith'a relationship was. to be seen at a great distance), and neither of them can act that well. This Seasons Highly Specific Breakup Anthems, Ranked. Yeah, comparing herself to Babs was always a stretch. I'm not sure, but when they had the penultimate episode of the final season that was set just before the pilot, the shape of her face was completely different. R369 Blake's still working with Linklater. Jerrod Carmichael Apologizes to Jennifer Coolidge for What the Gays Did to Her. But Avan and Posey were great too. Quinn may be a catalyst in the first two seasons, fine. Does anyone know if Cory worked as a bus boy at an inn on Victoria circa '95-96? It was ridiculous. That was one of the things Ryan came up with on the fly, apparently (when Chris Colfer auditioned). It wasnt until 11 months later, last October, that he wrote a lengthy response. As R498 - who's all over this thread - amply demonstrates. Supposedly Julie Andrews was going to play Kurt's grandmother and Anne Hathaway his aunt. R411: Yeah they should've ended the show with dignity after season 3 or 4. (And there's plenty of other stuff [kissing Karlie Kloss, etc.] Murphy has been on a mea culpa tour around various podcasts. Dianna Agron always pinged lez or bi to me, she had a beautiful face but I don't recall seeing her in anything outside of Glee aside from that film with Alex Pettyfer. I was losing the plot so to speak, I was relying too much on theatricality and outlandishness and tricks. She came back I think in the competition and sang "Buenos Aires" from Evita. But i could die from boredom. Finn would have attempted something boring like learning to be a football coach (hardly any chance to get some music, or musical, icons doing guest appearances). Chris Colfer was at Sunset Blvd. The Glee member with even the remotest possibility of posting on online forums (gay or otherwise) would be Kevin McHale, and even he has better things to do. What is a Glee thread without the requisite (self) hating queen making up shit? LEA MICHELE SNUBBED BY CHRIS COLFER ON BROADWAY: THE GLEE FEUD CONTINUES AND BECOMES A . R428 One of the main bosses, I don't think it was Murphy, said that one of their biggest mistakes was placing Kevin in a wheelchair because of how amazing a dancer he was. Nice to see you here. So glad he actual found a starring role now at Shadowhunters. Please expand and elaborate. Brad the Piano Player finally grows some balls after being bossed around by a bunch of teenagers and kills him. The cast of Glee probably ponders this dilemma every day because since the famous TV series created by Ryan Murphy ended in 2015, there have been a number of events that have in fact continued to make people all over the world talk about its protagonists. I didn't know that about Ashely Fink's character. I thought his singing was just fine for the part. Remember when they did the Rocky Horror episode and changed the lyrics "Sweet Transvestite"? That was pretty presumptuous of him. Please click here to get full access and no ads for $1.99 or less per month. She ignored him and looked down the floor avoiding eye contact. "they barely even look at each other", "it looks like they don't even like each other", [quote]During the episode Chris directed with the old people and the dogs, Lea was pulling a diva fit about everything and eventually was locking herself in her trailer. The spinoff was to take place and film in NYC where Lea, Chris, and Cory attending Julliard. In the meantime, it appears that Agron outed herself on Instagram, less than a week after we were discussing her. R170 she won, as did her co-star, Adam J. Bernard, who played Early. I think people mostly think he hates her because of Quinn's massive inconsistency, and because she wanted to leave after season 3. [quote] The best performance on Glee was this, by far. I think everyone should have that one relationship where you look back and ask yourself, What the hell was I thinking? Youll learn something and you wont regret it, she wrote. So far he's sold over 50k copies. Blind Gossip said one day that Colfer and Criss were a secret couple, and the next day that they hated each other. The audience loved him right away. Teenage Dream had a killer arrangement and vocals by the Tufts Beelzebubs, who did all Warblers songs. Subscribe to PeopleTV http://bit.ly/SubscribePeopleTVPeople NOW brings you daily news updates, interviews and more from the world of celebrities. Been so used to fighting and hustling. Now when I do TV shows, I dont take anything personally and I let everyone be an individual and try to be you can piss me off, thats fine and not be like Im gonna take my ball and go home I used to be that kind of person. R113 understand the difference between lead character and major character. They are the reason why Will's Instagram is private. Parenting does soften you in some weird way. I even use "Marry Me" as my alarm song on my iPhone. [quote]all either created for him or offered directly to him. He was the one with the original idea, as a movie script he gave Murphy. Everyone involved gave up and that was reflected in both the writing and performances. Hated seeing him with Tina since they had zero chemistry. Apart from the rumor that he is gay and the picture that might, or might not, have been him making out with a guy. It was for some health start up his wife was involved in. Yes indeed, we too use "cookies." R338, I think it had something to do with the Season 5-6 package renewal not being made until the last minute. [quote] Ryan Murphy and Dianna Agron hated each other. He became very popular quickly. Back when they fired all the new kids from season four (Melissa Benoist, Blake Jenner, Jacob Artist, and Becca Tobin), it leaked out that Lea had demanded they get rid of them because Mellissa's character was stealing Lea's thunder. Chris C. was jealous of Darren C. for becoming a fan favorite almost overnight. They have to be created for him. Then bought their own houses, the end. He added, "We have many, many, many differentCrime Storiesin the works, but it's a very hard show. There was a BI that Lea Michele and Colfer wanted to get Criss fired, which item had the fingerprints of Criss fangurls all over it. Growing up. "Glee" was a victim of its popularity, it was forced to become the thing it was originally parodying. I imagine Chris Colfer made a more or less innocent joke about finding out on Twitter that he's fired in order to keep the spin-off a suprise like Kit Harington went along with the ruse that his character will not return in Game of Thrones between season 5 and 6 (which was probably the worst kept secret and everybody pretty much expected his character to be back). Weren't Blaine and Kurt a couple? R45 He's sold over 2 Million of the first four Land of Stories books in the states, they've been translated into over twenty different languages and last month he released his eleventh book. R466: They became close friends on the set of Glee. 2023 Vox Media, LLC. Dianna has been doing indie movies, some more successful than others. I remember those Keep Holding On performances were so campy. It was one of the better Puck storylines that only make him more likeable. I would not mind watching Aaron Tveit on the regular AT ALL, mind you, but Cory was that perfect block of wood. Adam Shankman directed one of the worst episodes in the show's history, but it wasn't just because he has mediocre directorial skills. I liked the Teenage Dream and Rocky Horror episodes and Kurt's scenes with his father. A lot of massive egos for a cast not particularly talented or attractive. Then they ended up together at the end of the show. I was a lone duck in a swan-filled pond. He also auditioned for another jock. some weird, unconscious way, if youre a guy, you always try to please your dad. However, if she had died in stead of Montieth, I don't think it would have hurt the show in the same way. Murphy estren su nueva serie Feud, un drama antolgico para FX en marzo de 2017. Dianna Agron probably met her now husband through her friend Carrie Mulligan (married Mumford's singer). Mean girl Murphy exacting revenge. Fucking ridiculous. Informations sur votre appareil et sur votre connexion Internet, y compris votre adresseIP, Navigation et recherche lors de lutilisation des sites Web et applications Yahoo. Yea those glee project kids were such a waste of new characters. I always thought Diana was a gorgeous girl, especially when she cut her hair. Murphy does not know how to end a series. Diana eventually all but begged out of her contract. and for them. Season 2 it peaked. [quote] The boy in the wheelchair was a diva. [quote]Oh please, Ryan Murphy lost interest in Glee almost instantly. The clothes (today on. You have to draw a line and be a father figure and let your people know that you love them unconditionally and they have a safe space. Like not even dance lessons? It's not as bad as it used to be but Chris still get's shitty comments sent to him whenever he posts a picture of Will. Warning: This post discusses some plot points involving the character of Kurt. They must not realize the guy he dresses up with in couples costumes is his boyfriend, R316 Glee has been over for two years and that group still think Chris is using his "boyfriend" of 4+ years as a beard to protect Darren. The OG Power Rangers Are Morphin One More Time, Surprise, Taylor Swift and SZA Have Zero Beef. So, we went to them and asked, What do you think about this? Nous, Yahoo, faisons partie de la famille de marques Yahoo. Performing was usually relegated to just the choir room and glee competitions. He was so over the top when the winner was announced and his Blake won *lol*. If you think he has or legal problems with Olivia de Havilland R201 what was the point of changing it, in the first place? All that drivel of him caring about the cast too much is pure nonsense. Wasn't she dating hottie Christian Cooke for a while? The article at R76 is one of the tantrums Murphy threw. Murphy has yet to find his Capote, who wrote theBreakfast at Tiffany's,which later became a movie starring Audrey Hepburn,as well as the true-crime classic, In Cold Blood. Is Glee aired at all anymore in syndication? pointers what to do in the video they were filming. And yet Rachel pulls him along and they get that big ass apartment with zero references and no money? "I Dreamed a Dream" doesn't make as much sense when it's sung by a man about a woman. It didn't matter how good they sang or how perfect they were for the role, if they closed their eyes when they sang, they weren't coming back. Prince Charles: Ryan Murphy's New Feud, 'Glee' Star Returns | People NOW | Peoplehttps://www.youtube.com/user/people Why did Chris Colfer and Darren Criss hate each other in real life? I feel like there was lots of talk that Chris Colfer and Darren Criss didn't really get along Lord, if you were Darren Criss and you had to act like you loved miss woman, you wouldnt be happy about it either. Ryan himself didn't come up with the show, that was someone else who pitched it to Ryan Murphy, who then became co-producer, and then the original guy was pushed out early on. They would shoehorn in songs just to sell downloads and CDs even if they didn't fit the character or situation. "It was just too vast and expensive. In March, Brad Falchuk and I started talking to all three of those actors about it because you cant make people do spin-offs. She sounds like a handful too. [quote]Off subject, when did they change that rule on DWTS. I'm glad he's owning up to that now. R366: He had great PR but he made the decision to transition to writing. Youve seen the gay character, that gets kicked out of the house or is beaten up. Chord is not his real name. That was an obvious joke! [quote]and he sings nearly the entire thing with his eyes closed. Seriously r34. Ryan Murphy wanted her out, and Quinn became homeless, a punk, a baby snatcher, a paraplegic, and a fake-lesbian, until she finally stopped showing up altogether. She was only supposed to teach the dance to some cast members and someone higher up was so impressed by her that she got a role. [Quote] That alone deserves him a push into a grease fire pit. Doesn't that just refer to a transgender person who's already undergone a sex-change operation? Also weht Jenna Ushkowitz, the adopted Korean woman with the Jewish name? I am shocked Glee lasted as long as it did. R425: I've heard rumors about Darren Criss, Mark Salling, and Chord Overstreet. 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